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If it all goes wrong, with whom will the police side?

I read this article republished on The American Thinker website. It was thoughtful, insightful and thought-provoking. I also agreed with it as I read along. Then I came to the comments section and found that I agreed with many of them, even those who disagreed with the article’s author, Mike McDaniel.

It depends a lot on your experience with the police agencies in your area. I have experienced both good and bad, from inside and out. I suspect those in my current area of operation would be as Mike describes. I recommend both the article and the comments. You might choose to read it at The American Thinker, but I include it all here if you want to stay put.

The quotation memes are my contribution, not part of the author’s work, nor that of American Thinker.

– Ted


Should our government decide “our democracy” is in imminent dangerand it’s necessary to suppress dangerous insurrectionists like Catholics and soccer moms, would America’s federal, state and local police play along?

It has long been common knowledge Federal agencies have been stockpiling enormous quantities of mil-spec arms, ammunition and other gear. Agencies like the Railroad Retirement Board, Department of Education and Fish and Wildlife Service have automatic weapon-armed SWAT teams. Apparently, railroad retirees, federal education grant applicants and Trout are a greater threat to “our democracy” than anyone imagined. Let’s evaluate the real potential threat:

Federal Law Enforcement: these weaponized, politicized “public servants” likely represent the greatest threat. I’ve often written I suspect most FBI agents are honorable people. Unfortunately, there’s no way for Americans to determine which are and aren’t, and misplaced trust can be fatal. Which Feds are probably least likely to turn traitor? Perhaps the Border Patrol. Their level of disgust with the Mummified Meat Puppet Administration (MMPA) and all its Democrat/socialist/communist (D/s/c) functionaries is obvious.

However, all of them are chasing pensions, and all–little cogs in a vast bureaucratic machine–are used to going along to get along. They know what happens to people who don’t play along in thought, word and deed. Some will turn to the dark side to keep their pensions. Others because they want to be on what they think will be the winning side. Some because they like having power over others, and they’ll get pretty much life-and-death power. Under the circumstances we’re considering, some will comply because they don’t want to be shot or have their families threatened.

Yes. That will happen.

State Police: These are primarily mini-FBIs and state troopers. Even though such agencies are more militaristic than local agencies, far fewer will play along. They live among the people they serve, attend church with them, shoot with them at the local range. Their kids go to the same schools. They know everyone and everyone knows them and where they live. Even if they want to turn traitor, they know what locals with think about that, and what they’re going to do about it. At least some of these folks, though fewer than in the past, are veterans or serving in the National Guard, which also lessens the probability they’ll turn.

Image: Dodge City Peace Commission. Wikimedia Commons.org. Public Domain.

Local Police: These are county sheriff’s offices and municipal police forces. There will be a real blue/red divide, but it will be pretty much limited to large blue cities and red everything else. Blue city police chiefs, sheriffs, and their higher-ranking subordinates don’t get those positions unless they’re true believers, willing to do political dirty work. The only way one can make money in law enforcement is to become an administrator, as far away from enforcing the law as possible. In smaller, red cities, these negative tendencies are less pronounced.

Line cops tend to distrust and dislike such political slugs as much as the political slugs distrust and hate them. Higher-ranking types and those wanting those perks will be most likely to jump onboard the oppression bandwagon. They’ll be joined by others for pensions, power, and due to simple bloody-mindedness. As with the military, some line cops will play along, at least at first, out of a misplaced sense of duty, but that won’t last long, nor will they if they don’t quickly wise up.

As with our military, cops tend to be conservative. Duty, honor and integrity are part of their everyday lives, as are grooming standards. If a cop loses his reputation for integrity, his career is over. Americans don’t realize it, but cops actively apply the Constitution every day. They may not be able to quote chapter and verse, but they know how vital it is. Some of them are also veterans or members of the National Guard. They’re not going to be killing their friends, relatives, neighbors and the people they see every day.

How can we reasonably know this? Across the country blue states are passing unconstitutional gun control laws in blatant defiance of the Supreme Court’s Bruen decision. In places like Illinois, compliance with these laws is in the low single digits. Most, if not all, sheriffs have publicly announced they’re not enforcing unconstitutional laws, and the state police are smart enough—so far—not to push it and find themselves staring down the gun barrels of other cops. These are encouraging signs.

Arguably, the federal government would love to federalize all American police, but for the moment, that’s not happening.  

If things go bad on toast, it’s going to be ugly, but without near-universal military and police support for tyranny, the outcome is going to be bloodily bad for those who try to impose it. We can only pray they’re not sufficiently stupid to drive Americans to prove it.

Mike McDaniel is a USAF veteran, classically trained musician, Japanese and European fencer, life-long athlete, firearm instructor and retired police officer and high school and college English teacher.  His home blog is Stately McDaniel Manor. 


COMMENTS

COLIN POWIS
13 hours ago
That George Floyd affair in Minnesota was a coup against the police, insomuch, it was a Soviet-like ”show trial” designed to intimidate police across America to show them the government doesn’t have your back >in fact they are on the side of the ”street”. It also encourages criminality with a nod and a wink

But it’s even worse than that as it’s a latter day Dreyfus Affair, but instead of being an attack on Jews it’s an attack on Police . Derek Chauven is Dreyfus, but instead of been sent to Devils Island in Guyana , he’s sent to Tucson Arizona

Spencer Hendron
5 hours ago
I suspect most big democrat city police loathe and despise their commissars even more than we (normal people) do!?

Betty Butler
3 hours ago
Derek Chauven is NOT Dreyfus. Not even close. Not in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

Dreyfus NEVER stuck his knee on anyone’s neck, EVER.

You obviously never read about the Dreyfus case nor do you know anything about Chauvin who had at least 17 complaints filed against him and served in a totally Democrats run hell hole of poverty and misery. There is NO comparison.

Alan Stevens
2 hours ago
George Floyd was just the latest stand-in for the “anti cop movement” which goes all the way back to 1992 with Rodney King.

Their long term goal is to delegitimize the local police enough so that they will be federalized.

Then you will have jack-booted shock troops patrolling your city and county.

Is that what you want?

COLIN POWIS
56 minutes ago
You’re trying to reason with a simpleton ; imagine her on the jury of a murder trial ? Two other simpletons up voted her comment

Emeline Diener
10 hours ago
Decades ago I read somewhere that if a revolution happens, the deciding factor is always whether the military will turn its guns on the civilian population.
Did you see the movie Napoleon? The scene representing the famous “whiff of grapeshot” remark?
I don’t know the statistics on how many trans and gay people are actually in the military now. But if it’s a lot, those people have been brainwashed to believe the civilian population is their enemy! (Even though most of us just feel like: whatever, just leave us alone about it.) oh yeah, they’d love to shoot us because they suspect we don’t want to share a bathroom with ‘em. It’s Barack Obama’s military now.

Sam Adams
10 hours ago
Maybe but there are literally millions of us Vets who are NOT brainwashed and who see the real enemy, the DC Cartel.

bill53
8 hours ago
The trust between America and its military apparatchik’s is long gone. That goes for veterans too, you were all indoctrinated and part of the same military-industrial complex.
My father fought in and won WWII so his five sons would never have to fight again or join the military.

Spencer Hendron
5 hours ago
The military is a rigid top down authoritarian hierarchy dependent on leadership by the generals. They are all Obama/Biden generals now. Draw your own conclusions.

chuck lowe
9 hours ago
On a positive note, the “Whiff Of Grapeshot” took place in a post French Revolution France after 40,000 “born into the lace” elites were guillotined.

bill53
10 hours ago
Make no mistake if and when the war starts ALL LEOs from local all the way up to federal along with the military are THE enemy. If this war happens I would fire on any uniform without prejudice or hesitation.

Sam Adams
10 hours ago
My local police and sheriff/deputies are awesome. The real problem is the Federals. As far as shooting at Marines, you might want to rethink that one. As a retired Marine, I can say that you’d be better off hitting a wolverine in the balls with a stick.

bill53
9 hours ago
You sound like the pedo creepy Xoe Xiden threatening Americans with superior fire power. I will destroy anyone who threatens my family and friends or die trying. Your response is typical of a brainwashed government apparatchik threatening a fellow American, you really are a jarhead dude.

chuck lowe
8 hours ago
I remember Biden’s smarmy, condescending “F-15” comment. Nauseating cockroach that he is, the comment implies that he would have the full support of the military when he gave the order (No doubt, surrounded by intrepid D?????????????M?????????????CRAT politicians who could suit up and fly those jets themselves were they not so busy saving the country for “democracy”.).

The % of Americans in the military who would shoot at their fellow citizens is probably over 50%.

They have culled many patriots out of the service and many more did not join for obvious reasons.

So…, about 50% of the country hates Trump and about 50% plus, of the recruits are from places that hate Trump.

That said, it is reasonable to consider, that well OVER 50% of the VETS in this country are angry, armed, love Trump and meaner than a pit viper. Most of those, have been, in harm’s way and do NOT get sick at sea.

Biden/D?????????????M?????????????CRATs would pick a city to set an example after another Reichstag Fire-J-6 entrapment which resulted in violence and come down like the hammer of God to teach us all a lesson.

I honestly do not know how it would shake out.

They don’t either, or, the gutless Fascist cowards would have already pulled the trigger.

bill53
8 hours ago
Agreed, you should see the podcast between Tim Pool and Michael Malice. Both believe better then 75% of LEOs and military wouldn’t hesitate to kill Americans under orders to save their jobs and pensions.

chuck lowe
6 hours ago
I am not surprised.

Alan Stevens
7 hours ago
Biden should rethink his smarmy, condescending F-15 comment.

Many retired vets know how to operate all that hardware and could.

Spencer Hendron
5 hours ago
Chill out Jack! Real Marines will be right alongside you shooting at the same thing you are!

bill53
4 hours ago
If we are in a civil war, they better have shed their uniforms by the time they meet me.

“Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius” (Kill Them All and Let God Sort It Out)-Pope Innocent III 1209AD.

Sam Adams
10 hours ago
“Federal agencies have been stockpiling enormous quantities of mil-spec arms, ammunition and other gear.”

I consider those as resupply points in the coming Civil War.

chuck lowe
9 hours ago
” I’ve often written I suspect most FBI agents are honorable people.”

Then you have “often” been categorically incorrect.

There are very, very few better angels on the shoulders of ANY FBI agents.

The FBI, suborns perjury, alters 302 official documents, lies under oath to the courts, lies under oath to Congress, illegally leaks classified info to progressive press pack dogs that support Fascist D?????????????M?????????????CRAT initiatives, initiates illegal, unconstitutional investigations into uncharged, innocent Americans (What 4th Amendment?), withholds exculpatory Brady Material during court trials of people they KNOW are innocent, sat on the laptop and lied about it during both “impeachments” – I could go on…

We are all, Randy Weaver’s wife at this point and the FBI, WILL SHOOT OUR FAMILIES DEAD IF ORDERED TO DO SO, BY THE D?????????????M?????????????CRAT REGIME.

Bellum se ipsum alet.

Steven F Solomon
4 hours ago
The old folks used to say “the fish rots from the head first”.

chuck lowe
1 hour ago
I think they still say it.

HorizonD7
8 hours ago
Two thoughts: (1) “Some will turn to the dark side to keep their pensions.” What good will a marvelous government pension be in a country that they have helped to destroy? What will a pension be worth when they have destroyed the dollar? (2) I suspect that many American LEOs will be hesitant to attack their fellow citizens. But this is not a problem. They now have several million fighting age illegal migrants who have nothing to lose and will attack American citizens.

wendy j wallace
7 hours ago
With glee.

Alan Stevens
7 hours ago
Many people in general don’t seem to be able to think that far ahead.

Betty Butler
3 hours ago
Because they don’t think that far behind–learning from history or even knowing anything much about American history except the Democrat version inculcated in schools and universities.

Alan Stevens
2 hours ago
Right. Very short term either way.

Eric
6 hours ago
Biden’s illegal militia is of no use to the USG, so long as the people remain armed. In fact, I believe many of those people are already on a mission, working on behalf of foreign interests/powers- the CCP, Iran/radical Islam, Maduro, WEF/UN/WHO etc. Tens of thousands of sleeper cells, spies and extremists in waiting to launch a terrorist attack on our energy grid or infrastructure.

Steve Sorg
8 hours ago
You are correct on almost everything. However, I live in a TX border town and I will steer you straight right now. The Border Patrol is a HUGE problem and has no loyalty to anything but a paycheck and they are extremely overpaid. When push comes to shove, it will be the Texas Rangers, Sheriffs and Deputies, and citizens like me fighting with the CBP. It will be State vs. Feds, and the CBP are the feds. If they had any stones the powerful CBP union would threaten a full strike if Mayorkass and Co. will not let them do their job. In our town, CBP agents are not respected nor trusted.

Rudy Yarbrough
1 hour ago
Just like anyone else in the federal government, when they reach the limit of their disgust with their jobs they should either strike or resign. I understand pensions and income but the country should come first but it doesn’t. For any law enforcement or military group to rebel, it will be up to the local leadership. I can see the National Guard not responding to anti-American orders but not the rank and file of the military. No on the site punishment would be out of the question if a trooper disobeyed and order. Summary execution is not out of the realm of insanity by some officers.

jester6
8 hours ago
The only law enforcement agencies I would consider trusting are small county sheriff departments. By their nature, they must stay aligned with the locals, or the leader gets replaced in an election. The institution’s culture is based on that reality.

That is not true for any department where the leaders are appointed or the seat is controlled by a political machine. Federal, state, and big county sheriff, and all police departments fit into that category.

I think believing that most law enforcement would not turn on the citizens is naive. If you look at how your local agencies acted when your state politicians ordered businesses and churches to close during COVID, you can get a pretty good idea of how they would react.

We put law enforcement on a pedestal in this country, unlike the vast majority of the world. That’s because most of the world bases their opinions of law enforcement on their interactions with law enforcement. It’s very different in the West, particularly the English-speaking West.

We have been indoctrinated by 70 years of television, where law enforcement makes easy fodder for screenplays, and cops are almost always portrayed as the heroes. We tend to ignore what we know about human nature regarding law enforcement.

One of the reasons progressive policies often lead to bad, unexpected (but not unknowable) outcomes is progressives disregard human nature. When it comes to law enforcement, conservatives are like progressives because they assume humans in law enforcement are somehow immune from all the behaviors that are hardwired into every other human.

Jim Stewart
7 hours ago
Law enforcement will side with whomever signs their paychecks.

Spencer Hendron
5 hours ago
Bingo! What if there aren’t any politicians/bureacrats around to sign the paychecks? Hmmm?

Alan Stevens
2 hours ago
Many people don’t think that far ahead, just for the immediate future.

Alan Stevens
7 hours ago
” Local Police: These are county sheriff’s offices and municipal police forces. ”

They are employed by a municipality but are state certified law enforcement officers.

They generally have no jurisdiction outside of that area, but legally have police powers within that entire state.

Peter Colan
6 hours ago
You’re right about State Police. I believe most are noble people, but there are likely many who are ready to follow orders from the Master regardless how nefarious or silly they are.

I live in Indiana just shy of the Michigan border and have Indiana plates on my truck. When Michigan first locked down with Covid, (Indiana did not) I had to make a delivery to western Indiana, and the easiest way there was thru Michigan.

There was scant traffic. A State Trooper picked me up shortly after crossing the border and followed me the ENTIRE 50 mile journey thru Michigan. I slowed, he slowed. I stopped, he stopped. I even pulled over so he could pass. He pulled over with me, and just waited. Soon as I crossed back to Indiana he turned around. Seriously?

Emmer Biggins
6 hours ago
Far too many LE types are confused into thinking they have ‘authority’ over law abiding individuals. They decidedly do not until such time a crime has been committed.

The ones who joined to protect and serve will likely ignore unconstitutional orders.

The cops who joined to gain authority over their fellow citizens because they had their lunch money taken in grade school, had their asses kicked in HS, and have fragile egos will be (and are) the Perry tyrants who will be the prime target of patriots when it all goes down.

Spencer Hendron
5 hours ago
“Unfortunately, there’s no way for Americans to determine which are and aren’t…”

You can tell…the ones coming for you aren’t.

David Thomas
4 hours ago
The FBI is to be universally distrusted without exception.

Betty Butler
3 hours ago
Like everyone else, police come in different varieties.
Some use the uniform to hassle and intimidate. Some consider themselves protectors and peacemakers.

Life is always testing us all. When exam time comes, we find out what we’re really made of. Real character comes out in the crucible.

Douglas W Johnson
3 hours ago
I’ll still say that the vast majority of rank and file LE of all levels are still very patriotic. At the federal level, they are our allies behind enemy lines. Sure, the FEDs would be the most problematic and we should trust them the least.

The rest, state and local, the rank and file are overwhelmingly patriotic and the democrat party’s war against them and the FEDs pretty well assures, their loyalty to America and Americans (real Americans, conservatives).

Kent Ramsay
1 hour ago
If an FBI agent has not been a whistleblower he/she is not to be trusted and should be assumed to be a corrupt bent cop. The number of FBI agents who are honest is probably equal to the number of straight males in The Village People.

Stewart Meyer
2 minutes ago
I have yet to see any evidence to support that state or local law enforcement will be more concerned about their oath or respecting the constitution. Whenever an officer tries to enforce the law they are destroyed, which happens even in red states. Back the Blue? Yeah, right. We learned how they will respond, if we have a confrontation with the marxists/antifa/BLM, by their actions during Covid, school board meetings, peaceful protests outside abortion clinics, and more. I am not sure what this author is smoking.